These comments were made by riders at
the end of the questionnaire, and contain a wide range of attitudes
and opinions. No analysis was undertaken of these comments. They
are included here with the text being close to the form in which
they were originally made.
Most walkers I have encountered have
been pleasant as we slow down and tell them how many more riders
are following us the worse people to encounter are runners who
will not move over at all even though you try to give them a wide
berth. If you go to Karori Reservoir I have never seen people
walking along the singletrack the other thing that should be looked
at is signposting the tracks to warn people that mountainbikes
use this area, also if a track is a loop type you should have
it signposted to which direction you should go as to avoid head-on
Signs need to be posted alerting walkers
of the possible activity of MTB. MTBs need to be aware of the
possible activity of walkers.
If we take the attitude that Mountain
Bikers will be responsible ie signs saying "thank
you for your safe riding practices" or similar this will
be far more effective to control MTBs than a negative
stimulus sign in the order of 'No Riding' etc.
If the council and enforcing authorities
produce positive expectancy advertising for walkers and MTBs these
will only be a small group of people who will flaunt the conditions
I will be happy for further involvement/survey
Tinakori Hills closed to bikers but
the place is empty/deserted/under utilised.
Tracks which are heavily used in the
weekends by families such as the Orongorongo 5 mile and surrounding
tracks there is a need for designated areas for mountain bikers
and walkers as with Redwood Forest Rotorua.
However I do a lot of riding around
Belmont Regional Park after work in summer and the weekends throughout
the year. I only rarely come across hikers (3 this year) and
even other mountain bikers. I would be most upset, annoyed if
restrictions were placed in this area other than the usual closure
Riders may be unfairly blamed for track
damage - mot damage I see occurs mainly because the tracks aren't
constructed to shed water properly i.e. no rain bars/ditches (Bikes
do cause some damage however).
The Hawkins Hill - coast area is potentially
a fantastic biking area - all it needs is more tracks - the Dump
Road - Hawkins summit track is in very poor repair and needs attention.
This area seems unused and would attract
little opposition if it was developed for bikers.
Wellington is easily the best city in
NZ for Mountain Biking and it has a very large following here.
A large proportion of the country's top racers live here - developing
the available riding would benefit the sport greatly.
I hardly ever see walkers on tracks
I frequently use. Walkers seem spooked by not hearing cycles
approaching. It is usually a surprise to see any walkers, motor
cycles/hunters on any tracks. Most responses are o.k. I guess
signs warning walkers/cyclists would educate - (where there is
a problem). Seasonal/Off season use of National Parks should
be considered. Speed restrictions? One way (As used in USA).
Younger riders need sense of responsibility - Educate. Bush
I have tried racing, but I find I enjoy
rec riding or the adventure style of race. I enjoy the outdoors
and photography, perhaps this would be combined on some of the
Mountain Bike tracks with photography spots, marked. I think
Mountain Biking has a great future and I should have brought a
bike earlier, but I do not want to see things, places spoilt.
Careful planning and questioning all parties who use the outdoors
will mean we can all enjoy the outdoors together and preserve
the natural history.
I have been on a DoC Mountain Ride during
the Summer and found this most enjoyable, meeting other riders
of all abilities, ages, sex, it can be relaxing or a good fitness
work-out. Please look at expanding these rides with good guides
for future seasons.
Good luck with the survey, lets hope
this outcome is positive for Mountain Bikes.
People and Bikes can't share same track.
Something has to be done. e.g. warning walkers and Mountain
Bikers therefore both aware.
Obviously some tracks are better for
Mountain Biking rather than walking and vice versa.
Good this about Wellington - many tracks
- not crowded with other cyclists
Mountain-bikers are emerging from the
shadow of 'noisy trail bikes' at last. Environmental damage is
minimal unless the area is especially sensitive or over-used (i.e.
for races). Most bikers are courteous to walkers and I am awe-struck
that we co-exist on Mt Victoria so well.
I have had some 'discussion' with irate
walkers - generally with dogs - and point out the parallel of
the wayward dog owner on Oriental Parade who lets his dog jump
on people, shit on the footpath, bite and frighten children.
There are wayward Mt Bikers as well but don't judge the majority
by the minority.
Wellington is the best MTB city
in the world, and one of the best regions as well. It
isn't flat enough for some but thats geography.
MTB people tend to environmentally
aware, educated outdoor-fitness types. Most are easy-going and
enjoy the fitness and fresh-air attributes. Many spend $3000
on a bike and have no car!
MTB has fantastic tourist potential
for the region - perhaps some effort could go into marking trails
that take ages to learn otherwise.
Mountain biking on narrow walking tracks
will/has created a recreational conflict of use situation. The
speed of MBs in contrast to walkers will/has caused a number of
accidents, unless some form of MB is controlled on walking tracks
accidents will occur. Korokoro stream is a fine example - as
is the Karapoiti Gorge.
Thanks. I hope your research is not
a white elephant.
Mt Victoria - too many walkers who tend
to under estimate the control you have on a mountain bike i.e.
they always think you will hit them.
I would like to see good hard mountain
biking on T.V. It would also be a good way to get across a good
conduct message which needs to be promoted to new comers to the
Riders need to be educated about not
skidding up tracks, riding fast through walkers and general sensitivity
especially when riding in larger groups which can be intimidating
to walkers and like a pack of wild dogs to farmers.
As a basic conservationist I am opposed
to allowing MTB riders into fragile areas - which tends to be
most (native) forested areas, because too many of the MTB
riders are grown-up children who do not show a great deal of responsibility
toward their environment - access restrictions may be punishing
'responsible' riders, but being 'responsible' they will generally
Education, of the damage that bikes
can cause by bikers is important to help ensure protection of
I have never had any problems as a walker
or biker with others on tracks.
Many tracks have been very little used
in the past so their upkeep was hardly justified. But there do
seem to be more walkers and bikers out there this year.
Many thanks for the map.
On tracks which are used by both, walkers
and cyclists I'd like to see warning signs to remind people that
each other are on the track.
I feel narrow, native walking tracks
should bot be ridden on in Winter as the damage from bike tires
will make a mess. Also I feel rules should be made and
advertised publicly i.e. riders give way to walkers.
With new MTB bike purchases an 'Off
Road Package' should be supplied with items such as maps of recommended
routes, code of conduct on bike, detailing how not to damage trails
i.e. no skidding etc.
Something like a condensed Wellington
version of Kennetts Book 'Classic NZ MTB Rides'. Funding could
be from a small levy on bike purchases such as $5 per bike, shared
by wholesaler and retailer.
I can understand why DoC have their
current policy on mountain bikes in National Parks. As long as
alternatives are available it makes it even more acceptable.
E.g. Access to Rangatawa Forest in the Ruapehu Area. I believe
that a few thoughtless riders reflect badly on the majority.
As such I hope the majority are not further restricted in, for
example the Wellington Region.
I believe some walking tracks could
be open to bikes at specific times. E.g. last weekend
of each month for some tracks first weekend between March-October
etc to spread the load with other users. Penalties for using
them at wrong times to protect other users' interests. This would
only be needed for high-use tracks and should be trialled with
walkers being surveyed as well as bikers.
Thanks for the input - good luck with
In all the places I've ridden over the
years I've had no bad feedback from walkers I've met on the tracks
I've been on. In fact I've found it is rare to meet anybody except
other mountain bike riders on most of the tracks with the
exception of very popular walking tracks e.g. Mt Kaukau.
If part of the objective of this questionnaire
is to determine which areas in Wellington are most suitable for
bike riding or if it is to try to establish the compatibility
of walkers and cyclists on the same tracks, then people should
be informed if any intended closure to cycles, of any existing
facility as it would be a shame to do so without consulting the
users of specific tracks. So, if according to this questionnaire
Mt.Victoria for example was not one of the most popular
off-road venues it would be wrong in my opinion to conclude that
it would be an o.k place to close to cyclists if any specific
place is to be closed to cyclists it should be publicized to allow
feed back from those who use it.
I believe we should be working towards
universal use of all tracks by all interest groups. They must
all learn to co-exist. I would be agreeable to
limiting use of some sensitive areas during winter but this should
apply to runners as well as bikes. Keep up the good work!
Mountain Bike and other sports can be
combined (Use the same areas). Most MBrs know where and when
they will come across other users (walkers, trampers, etc) so
they ride with a degree of caution. MBrs don't ride everywhere
like mad men. They know that if they hit someone, not just that
person but themselves will suffer.
If there are some areas that are walked
and used by other activities to a much higher degree than MBrs,
I have come across a lot of trampers,
walkers, runners while riding along tracks. I have never considered
this a dangerous situation. We normally pull off to the side
of tracks to allow them to pass. I always make a note of saying
hi etc as I am conscious of reflection of mountain bikers on
general public. I always stay and converse with runners about
how far I've ridden, condition of track ahead etc. I do strongly
feel that all tracks (*except for those with special circumstances)
should be opened up to mountain bikers. (* i.e. replanting programme
going on that could be damaged by traffic flow).
Mountain bikers enjoy the outdoors as
much as your tramping enthusiast and are careful of their surroundings.
Thank you for the opportunity to have
a say. Personally I haven't had any problem with any walkers
I have come across on my rides. This is probably because I'm
a shift worker and tend to ride mid-week which avoids the crowds.
I do think that popular walking tracks
which haven't any room for passing such as the catchpool 5 mile
track should be Mountain bike free. Any responsible rider should
be able to work that out for themselves. I think information
on lesser used tracks would help spread mountain bike traffic
and would be a good idea.
Limiting access for specified times
might give riders the chance to use tracks not normally open to
mountain bikes and would be a good idea.
I would like to thank DoC for their
time in putting together this survey. I have always enjoyed our
National Parks whether I have been tramping, climbing or skiing.
It seems to me that a opening up more of our National Parks to
Mountain biking would be a great thing, as there is a whole wilderness
out there to be explored which can sometimes take days to get
to by foot.
If more tracks were opened up I agree
there would have to be some control over the use of walkways,
as they do need protection from ware and tear. As for the up
keep of walkways are concerned I feel a small realistic charge
should be placed on mountain bike users, similar to that of DoC
hut users in National Parks. More education information on the
use of DoC tracks would be of great use as there are still many
misconceptions concerning Mountain bikes. I look forward to hearing
about the outcome of this survey and thanks again for DoC positive
outlook on this No.1 growing sport.
Park P.D. workers kick us out, walkers
tell us to f*** off and there is only one steep narrow overgrown
track for us.
I don't really go out off-road very
often, especially lately that I've been busy. However I use my
bike to commute around the city everyday, and usually ride to
the tracks that I do off-road. To me it's vital to have access
to areas close to Central Wellington.
I'm a climber and tramper before a Mt
Biker so I feel embarrassed encountering tramper on the track
because many bikers are brash when they roar past trampers. Any
biker that intimidates me when I'm with my 3-y-o daughter can
expect a fist in the face! You're welcome to contact me if I
The area in Tinakori should be open
to mountain bikers because the terrain prevents speed and there's
no danger at all to walkers. Also the ground is so rooty environmental
damage is limited. Walkers there and in Karori Reservoir tend
to be normal unlike Mt.Vic.
The reason I do so much mountain biking
is that after 14 years of riding my knees can't take it any more.
Mountain biking offers everything and much more in terms of a
replacement full time sport. I do it basically every lunch hour
during the week plus a ride on the weekend with various like minded.
Despite intensively using areas close
to the city we virtually never encounter walkers, mainly
the odd runner. Often these people will not even look at you -
resenting the intrusion. Never in riding 5 days a week has there
been any accident with walkers or runners. We attempt to change
their attitude by being friendly, courteous and passing carefully.
Most conflict arises from their perception of an intrusion on
serenity/pristine outdoor experience.
Environmental damage is minimal. Most
is caused by rain which scours out up to a metre deep on Mt Vic.
It affects any track and is not accentuated by mountain bike
use. Some areas turn into muddy bog holes in winter e.g. Karori
Reservoir. To a degree its self regulating but those areas could
be controlled at certain times of the year. Given the limited
numbers of walkers/runners. I can't see any possible reason why
all groups can't use the same areas contemporaneously. Karori
Reservoir is the most popular for walkers because its new. The
main access track from Highbury to the windmill could have gates
to slow down mountain bikes coming down, because that is one of
the few areas of real danger to walkers/other bikes coming up,
because speeds of 60 km can be achieved there. Alternatively
ditches could be dug across the track to take water off and slow
A lot of people who start Mt biking
for fun end up using the bike for transport which is something
the City and Regional Councils should be encouraging. e.g. I
use my bike for commuting 80% of the time which would not have
happened without the off-road riding and competition aspects and
I know many other people in the same situation. People are much
more likely to use bikes for transport if it also their sport
or recreation and I think this alone is a good enough reason for
the councils to encourage mountain biking wherever and whenever
possible. Thank you for the opportunity to express my opinions.
My area is well represented at the National
MB races but has no appropriate area for organising a race. The
regional authorities are not cycle-friendly and seem to go out
of their way to prevent cyclists from going off-road. This is
making the situation worse. I think we gradually get used to
it until we visit somewhere like Palmerston North which caters
for cyclists - even encourages them!
I enjoyed the "Orongorongo Classic"
very much and will be back again next year - hopefully I won't
miss the Karapoti Classic this time.
I would love to see some of the trails
and walkways opened up to cycling around my area - I'd be willing
to research this further for you if you'd like some details.
Even if it meant just one day a year.
Mountain bikes should have the same
right of access as other environmentally compatible users to all
at DoC estate. With timeshare/off peak rules being applied where
warranted. The human perception of other user groups will always
be a limiting factor but with education and de-sensitizing through
exposure, will become less of a problem.
After reading your "Draft Bicycles
use Guideline" I feel you should be looking at things in
a wider perspective - Section 1.4 describes what almost all forms
of recreators do. The track itself has the biggest environmental
impact user groups just damage the damage to a greater or lesser
* Some areas should be out of bounds for Mtn bikes.
* Some areas should be multiple use i.e. Mtn bikes and walkers. Both walkers and Mtn bikers in these areas should be sensitive to each other.
* Positive action ie. areas where people can go mountain biking are opposed to always saying no biking here etc.
* Open up as much farmland as possible
in the region for Mtn biking. Farm land tends to be excellent
for riding - rolling, visibility etc. especially around the Wgtn
farms where there are also great views. If there were specified
routes through Wgnt farms (e.g. Mt Kaukau to Johnson Hill over
Kilmister's Farm) then I'm sure the pressure would come off single
walking tracks (e.g. Wilton bush, Mt Kaukau). Mtn bikers are
far less likely to crash into other people on farmland (you can
see them coming from miles away).
Racing - love it mostly because you
can guarantee no one on the track whose not in the race. (can
get a bit looser).
When riding/training good wide hill
climbs that are challenging both in gradient and in technique
required and downhills that require a bit less speed and a bit
In all my experiences mountainbiking
I have not seen a better scheme or place to mountainbike than
Whaka Forest Rotorua. In the large area that is Whaka Forest
there are specially designed exclusive use MTB tracks which are
mapped. There is an area for the exclusive use of walkers too.
I feel that this positive recognition of the needs of MTBers
is excellent, and not once in my time in Rotorua did I see either
walkers or bikers abusing the system.
Such a positive attitude to mountain
bikers would surely yield similar results in such a popular mountain-biking
region as Wellington.
My second point is that the current
conflict between walkers and MTBers especially on various high
use points of Tinakori Hill & Karori Reservoir tracks for
e.g. is damaging to the image of the sport & frustrating to
MTBers like me. There are various large areas of Karori Reservoir
for that are very seldom used by walkers yet other areas that
are intensively used. I feel designation of tracks for their
respective uses But Not banning use would be useful.
The Key to the MTB use debate I think
is a positive attitude to a sport that will only grow in numbers
as well as recognition of MTBers needs.
Town belt, Tinakori Hill, Wellington.
The area has extremely technical fun trails that are excellent
for MTBing however no provision is made for cyclists' use. Conflict
is encountered when walkers do not understand/respect the natural
tendency of MTBers to enjoy the trails too despite them being
My ideal ride would contain a mix of
single track through native/pine forest at a fast pace and an
extremely challenging uphill (e.g. Mt Climie) as well as technical
downhills (a la Hawkins Hill) around 2½ - 3 hours. A relaxing
piece somewhere in the middle (like Karapoti between the end of
the Devils staircase and B$ the Dopers Creek final climb) would
be good. Karapoti probably is the closest to my ideal ride.
Mountain biking is not incompatible
with walkers. However some areas could be designated walkers'
right of way so riders would slow down for blind corners.
Environmentally sensitive areas could
be designated 'soft' riding areas i.e. no heavy breaking, carrying
bikes over bad bits.
If the area is too environmentally sensitive
for biking then there should be no walkers either. They have
similar impact. Walking tracks that have gravel on them are not
damaged by normal biking. However they could be damaged by deliberate
heavy breaking. An occasional, easy walking area could be designated
walking only, so that old people or families don't get scared.The
making of walking tracks (shingle, drains, culverts; 4wd Motor
bikes has more impact on the environment than Mtn biking.)
I've recently become interested in racing
and have been training at lunch time on tracks close to Wellington
I rarely if ever see other users (o.k
its Winter and mid week. In the last week I've met 1 runner and
2 people exercising their dogs - the people were both standing
with hands in their pockets while their dogs crapped on the track.
With a little imagination, and some
PEP workers, Wellington could have a one way, all weather
Mountain bike track within the green belt system that would take
hours to ride, would serve hundreds of people and be the envy
of the world - and still preserve our walking tracks.
I would hate to see Mountain bikes banned
from riding the terrain they were created for, challenging narrow
single track. I think seasonal closures would be a good idea
on some tracks which get particularly muddy during winter and
could be damaged. Maybe on particularly crowded tracks Mountain
bikes could be allowed for slow riding only. (But obviously this
is not necessary on the vast majority of tracks). Mountain bikers
like to enjoy the scenery and bush too, but we have to respect
other trial-users rights as well.
There are a number of young casual Mtn
bike riders unaware of track etiquette who have created conflict
on multi-purpose tracks - an education programme is needed for
these riders. Signs on all tracks outlining riding behaviour
would assist in alerting these riders to what is acceptable behaviour.
The code published on the Wellington Regional Council leaflets
is most appropriate.
Re mixed usage:
In my experience, the presence of trail-bike
riders, horse riders, walkers and mountain-bikers is insurance
against accidents and loss of equipment - there are more people
around to help. When walking I find bikers slightly annoying unless
they make an effort with a greeting. Bikers tend to have an 'inward-looking'
style in the outdoors, as if they are competing rather than co-operating.
Hunters are a bit like that, too.
I have shown the favourite short rides.
The longer rides are much less common, and access, interests
for non-riders and non-experts, etc are all factors then. Karapoti
provides well in those areas.
Thank you for the opportunity you have
provided me to voice my opinions. This form has had input from
my own experiences but has been supported by several friends,
fellow mountain bikers! Nature, scenery and all its beauty is
something very precious to us all and plays a major part in our
hobby so therefore the preservation of both it and access to it
are equally important to us.
As you may have noted from my earlier
comments both walkers and most importantly motorcyclists can
be the greatest dangers. With some signposting saying "tracks
used by walkers and m'bikers, stay left, be vocal when
descending, no motorbikes (These signs need to be in some
obscure places, motorbikes get onto Hawkins from all sorts of
One idea, the main track from Denton
Park to the new windmill has a lot of walkers, especially weekends,
how about no descents on weekends! Or what about developing the
other track on the opposite side of the fenceline?
I am more than happy should you wish
to talk further or discuss any comments.
Favourite - Smooth, fast technical,
good scenery etc. But when M'biking mixtures of good/bad
fast/slow climb/descent forest/bush. You name it, you can encounter
it all in one ride! But hey? Isnt that M'biking?
I feel Wellington has the best areas
for Mountain Biking to offer in N.Z. that is close to a major
city. With the right management, these areas will be maintained
with hopefully new areas opening up. I for one respect other
uses of tracks and ride carefully when in Native forest areas.
i.e. Not to tear up the track etc.
Theres too many walkers who think they
own what they walk on. And there should be just as many riding
tracks as walking. I've never heard of a mountain bike tracks
with no walkers or motor vehicles allowed (this ought to start).
As a tramper myself I would like to
say that many fellow trampers have the perception (false) that
Mountain bikes because they are going fast are out of control.
Hence their phobia of being run into. Note: this appears
to be a result of the walkers inappropriate action if it does
I feel that New Zealand's native flora
and fauna should be open to the caring public in this country,
walkers, trampers and mountain bikers.
But I think mountain bike riders are
classed by the average person as mad idiots with no consideration
or care for plants, animals or other people. This could be caused
by a radical few (me sometimes to).
So in the near future Mountain Bike
Clubs and riders should help organisations like DoC or NZ Forest
Products to provide legal, separate, specialised tracks, information,
maps etc. for bikes through native or pine forests. So that Mountain
bikes and walkers can enjoy New Zealand.
With this in mind could you possibly
give a contact name and phone number at the Dept of Conservation
in Whangarei, so that I can start to help.
I have been riding Karori Reservoir,
long galley and Hawkins Hill - Red rocks via the fire break up
from Denton Park in Highbury for years. These are my favourite
areas - great rides, easy access (no hassle with driving anywhere).
I can see a conflict with walkers as
this area is opened up for walkers and with the sightseers visiting
the wind turbine. I think its crucial that this access remains
open for Mountain bikes.
I'm not one of the riders that comes
down that fire break at 60 kmh (there are too many other good
descents) but I fear we will loose the right to ride up there,
if too many walkers complain. I would welcome any solution.
Thank you for asking for our comments.
I hope you get excellent response to the questionnaire.
For 2 years my wife and I were members
of the West Auckland MTB Club and during that time we had a great
number of rides with people who were less than ½ our age.
We were always accepted as one of the "lads"; no problems
if we were a little slower than the rest. The only reason we
left the club was because recreational rides decreased to zero
and the club became solely a racing club, with great success I
might add. I have no problems with that, but it wasn't really
We did notice and often brought to the
clubs attention that damage to tracks etc was primarily done by
the young lads (12 to 16 year olds) fresh from BMXing and skidding
mud, but its a hard job convincing them.
We believe that the biggest growth area
is recreational riding - clubs are not doing enough work in that
area (although I know of some which do) and that there should
be plenty of areas set aside where MTB can be provided, both for
races and recreational riders.
85% of the MTB movement is made up of
recreational riders. Only 15% is in the racing division. Therefore
we need to keep large areas of forest and other tracks open for
recreational riders. We must also ensure with the racing riders
and possibly restricted because of the damage and reputation that
goes with racing. Even though I use the word damage here I still
consider that overall even the racing division causes no more
damage than walking feet.
I would like to have a map produced
that defines all the tracks we can ride and how and where whom
etc. we get permission from. Better still it would be nice to
not have to get special permission to ride. I feel I'm a responsible
rider and I look after the environment. I just want to be out
there in it and don't want some idiot messing it up for me by
riding rough and upsetting people who own or look after the land.
Land owners seem to get upset by stupid MX bikers and the like
then just ban everyone assuming they are all alike. It would
be nice to know all the places we can go without upsetting someone
or having to get permission prior to going out.
I'm not convinced that mountain bikes
do "environmental" damage and if they do the environment
would soon heal itself. However they do damage walking tracks
- especially steep downhills (where locked wheels cause a groove)
and flat stretches (when its wet and track is not well constructed).
Perhaps bikes could be allowed on all tracks in say March or April each year before they go soft. Just for a month. e.g. like a duck shooting or white baiting season. Bikers happily pay $20 to enter races every second weekend so I'm sure they's pay $40-$50 of more towards track maintenance for the privilege of riding something like Abel Tasman.
I initially took up cycling to keep
fit and commute across town in Melbourne. My first MTB actually
requested slick tyres. Eventually I got more and more off-road
until the last few years when I've gone absolutely crazy on it.
I think it was mud/excitement/scenery/physical that did it.
I don't think I'll ever race as I'm too aggressive in a car and
don't trust myself - probably get too exhausted, too pushy and
hurt myself. I prefer to cycle alone as my friends can't keep
up and prefer the sole challenge of pacing myself. I would love
to see cycleways everywhere with a better image and respect from
motorists. I don't mind bright clothing but I hate the posing
aspect of shiny bikes with the latest bars and sponsors names
all over clothing and sunglasses etc. In on seal, which is very
rare these days, I tend to race and chase everyone in sight because
my pace is fairly quick and I'm quite fit. I was thrilled to
get this questionnaire in the mail as I especially appreciate
the map as I thought I'd run out of places after studying maps
and reading the NZ Mountain Bike Classic Rides Book. I generally
do most of my riding at strange times to avoid others e.g. lunch
times Monday - Friday, or first thing in morning or sometimes
last thing at night. I especially avoid tracks like the Incline
or Pencarrow on weekends (unless the weather is really bad) to
avoid walkers, beginners or posers, 4WD and trail bikes. Sharing
is an interesting issue: take the Cannon Point Rd or the incline.
Walkers don't usually keep to the side, downhill mountain bikers
are dangerous in these circumstances. At least with motorbikes
and 4WD you can hear them. Slower bikers are also a hazard to
other bikers as there is a tendency to believe you have an entire
area to yourself e.g. riding 4 a-breast on the Incline.